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  • Why and attention……a “2fer”

    Posted by Mrfredsporty on July 25, 2022 at 4:44 am

    Today i felt like a 2fer. the first is why. Why do I post almost everyday. there are many reasons but one of the most important is that its like a morning greeting. Im so excited to be here and I feel like Im talking to friends. Surely ,(no, Im not calling you Shirley)we all love talking to friends. so thank you for being my friend, tac. the 2fer is paying attention. Today i was concentrating on particular songs. As I was ending my session I played one I had not been paying much attention to. Yikes, I was awful! So, the small win for me is that of paying attention to what you are doing. Dont just get through it, but put some effort into it. Thanks guys and gals.

    N-lightMike replied 1 year, 8 months ago 6 Members · 21 Replies
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  • the-old-coach

    Member
    July 25, 2022 at 10:29 am

    Fred-

    Nailed it.

    You make a great point about “paying attention”.

    But I think it’s more than that. I think it’s an issue EVERY ONE of us faces at some point.

    For me personally– kind of a gut-punch reminder.

    Earlier on in my TAC-career, very generally, I focused more on “doing LESS, but doing it “better”. Pretty-much perfect was the only option before I moved to the next step. But— I think I felt like I just wasn’t progressing “fast enough” or something….. So I pretty-much abandoned that general philosophy.

    More recently, I’ve gone the other way– “doing MORE, with less attention to being perfect” as I go. I guess the hope is that the whole mess would, at some time, spit out the other end and all be OK. A bigger pile of learning- over a longer time……….. Should work, right?

    (Dumb analogy— Nibblin’ away on a giant cookie versus stuffing the whole thing in your mouth at once and chewing forever). Takes the same amount of time either way, right?

    Trouble is, for me anyway, trying to learn TOO much— trying to cover too many areas— at one time— has been leaving me with the scenario you maybe faced. Leaving me feeling like– 1. The quality may not be there- (yet)— and 2. I’m “spreading myself too thin”.

    I’m gonna keep going the way I am now- with the hope that the ****broader**** learning will make me a better guitar player overall— over time.

    I’ve loaded myself down here lately— working on a few various things— (chords and transitions, expanding creativity, singing, PLAYING and singing, memorizing, and dabbling with 2-3 original songwriting(s)).

    I’m hoping the “cream will come to the surface” in a sense, and I am able to work on each one of these MUCH more— “as they rise to the top”, one at a time— over time. (Again– should work right?)……..

    Time will tell.

    (This is the edit– I added)- “The way I’m doing it now seems like MUCH more fun!!!!!”

    Thing is—— we ALL will have to find that “balance” in there………

    Thanks for your post- great reminder……

    Oh, and sorry about that peek into my brain😜………. it’s not a pretty sight.

    And I promised I’d stay away……

    the old coach

    • This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by  the-old-coach.
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    • Mrfredsporty

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 5:05 am

      thanks for the thoughtful reply. My “total immersion” concept is really very much like your total learning ideas. I want to be like a sponge but find Im more like a rubber band in that I want to absorb everything but most bounces off. In reality little bits and pieces are getting through and it has to be a win in the long run

      • the-old-coach

        Member
        July 26, 2022 at 9:31 am

        Fred–

        I- (we)- have been reading your posts, and I think that more than a LITTLE is getting thru!

        Like McConaughey- (and many of us in here)- say— “don’t half-ass it”

        Little side-detour- but applicable(?). This ****perfectly**** applies to SINGING😳. A few discussions ago, I mentioned a talk I had with a very experienced musician in our local area- (a sort-of friend/ acquaintance). It was about singing- or rather- learning how to sing. That’s what he said- “DON’T half-ass it!!! Bad singing comes from being stuck in between quiet and loud, full air/half air, high and low, head and chest voice”. He said- “Try ’em all, PICK ONE and GO FOR IT. If it doesn’t work- pick something else”. And, “You’re never gonna be any good at singing until you accept the fact that you have to be willing to make a total fool of yourself”.


        Anyway- didn’t mean to side-track the discussion….. but it kinda-sorta fits(?)

        Thanks for that clip, Guy. Perfect for this discussion.

      • Mrfredsporty

        Member
        July 26, 2022 at 10:30 am

        Funny you mentioned singing. I’m realizing that my songs require singing. That’s why I’m suffering through recoding on my iPad so I can get a little better

    • N-lightMike

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 10:46 am

      Hey Mark @the-old-coach and Fred @Mrfredsporty .

      Mark said: “Earlier on in my TAC-career, very generally, I focused more on “doing LESS, but doing it “better”. Pretty-much perfect was the only option before I moved to the next step. But— I think I felt like I just wasn’t progressing “fast enough” or something….. So I pretty-much abandoned that general philosophy.”

      “(Dumb analogy— Nibblin’ away on a giant cookie versus stuffing the whole thing in your mouth at once and chewing forever). Takes the same amount of time either way, right?”

      So first, “perfect” can be very misleading. We do need to work on accuracy and people do get to the point where they can play something “perfectly”. But, yes, you say it in your edit, there is a balance. So, where is that balance?

      Second, no, it would not be the same either way, and that’s really the point. It does make a difference whether you stuff the whole thing in or nibble.

      So, here is a video that really helped my to see how to put the whole thing together. When do I try for perfection, when do I push for speed, when am I wasting my time and maybe even ingraining mistakes, how much should I go over old stuff, how much new stuff to learn? Lots of questions. This made them clear for me.

      It’s called “Get better at music by practicing less” and the YouTube channel is Brad Harrison Music. (Just open YouTube and type the title into the search and you’ll find it.)

      I hope this helps.

      MG 😀

  • Kitman

    Member
    July 25, 2022 at 10:28 pm

    Hey @Mrfredsporty these realizations are great wins! Sharing and encouragement is how we all learn together Thanks my friend! 😃

    @the-old-coach , IMO there is no “one size fits all” so it’s is great you are experimenting. The fact you are both learning and having fun seems so say you may well have the mix right for you! Win! 😃

    • Mrfredsporty

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 5:09 am

      very good input KM (as always)

  • Guy_H

    Member
    July 25, 2022 at 10:44 pm
    • Mrfredsporty

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 5:09 am

      great clip! to the point and encouraging

    • the-old-coach

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 9:10 am

      Agree- love that!

  • Cadgirl

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 4:49 am

    @Mrfredsporty , It’s always best to pay attention to what your doing. There is a reason why some things sound good and others bad. Sometimes, you can hit the notes all right, but the timing is off. Once you start sorting it all out you are on your way to making up your own tunes.

    • Mrfredsporty

      Member
      July 26, 2022 at 5:06 am

      very wise and true.

  • the-old-coach

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 12:11 pm

    Please forgive me.

    I made the mistake of posting-back- ****answering directly to Fred****, instead of just “replying to the entire thread”. Wow that sounds confusing…………..

    The end result is that the posts are no longer in chronological order. A post that actually came earlier appears farther down in the thread. It kind of makes a mess of things, really.

    Example- MY post that refers to Guy’s Matthew McConaughy video actually now appears in the thread AHEAD of Guy’s post and the video link. You read comments about a video you haven’t seen yet.

    From now on I’m just gonna “Reply” to the entire thread.

    Again- please forgive me.

    the old coach

    • N-lightMike

      Member
      July 27, 2022 at 2:13 pm

      Yes, that’s how a forum works, @the-old-coach . It follows a conversation, not a time line. Conversations don’t follow a time line unless it’s only 2 people. So, if you are responding to a specific comment, you need to hit the reply for that comment and NOT the general reply. That would be missed and would cause confusion.

      You have been doing it the “right” way. Don’t let the order bother you.

      MG 😀

  • Kitman

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 12:39 pm

    Lol – I worries @the-old-coach – taken as a whole the entire thread makes some semblance of sense! 😃

  • Mrfredsporty

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 12:54 pm

    Thanks EVERYONE!

  • the-old-coach

    Member
    July 26, 2022 at 1:13 pm

    Mike-

    To your video suggestion– Wow– that’s good stuff. Seemed it was really “FAST” for me- meaning the guy is a really fast talker! (I had to watch it twice- and stop it a few times- just to understand it, it was so fast).

    Reminded me of a small paperback book someone recommended in here months ago- (I bought it)- called “First, Learn to Practice”- (or something like that).

    Lots of info in your video- and useful to re-align my perspectives and maybe priorities.

    I really LOVE the distinction and clarity between “practicing” and “learning”- and the need for a difference between the two. That is now embedded in my brain.

    As far as your “balance” point— I was probably a little loose when I said “we ALL have to find that “balance” in there….”. As for me personally– I do believe that I have to have a point where, say, “too much”, or “too fast”– (or, conversely- “too slow” and /or “too easy”). Kind of like bowling with the big padding-things in the gutters to keep the ball in the lane.

    As always- thanks for your insight and perspective. Golden. And thanks for the vid.

    Mark

    • N-lightMike

      Member
      July 27, 2022 at 2:16 pm

      You are welcome Mark @the-old-coach . I agree that this video clarified things for me very well, and the significant thing to understand was the difference between learning and practicing. I found it very “balanced” that he also gave us permission to continue to “misuse” the term practice as that’s “normal”.

      MG 😀

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